query-303442d887bd321cdc614f1bf9d6f6a1
P641 (P641)sport (Q606060)women's association football or (Q2736)association football Problem: ⟩ (Q2736)association football ⟨ (P279)subclass of ⟩ (Q606060)women's association football ⟨ for all women competitions/seasons/clubs? (Q606060)women's association football for all men competitions/seasons/clubs and (Q2736)association football Should we use an item "men's association football"? They are the same sports, only the gender is different. Is it OK to use Discussion: ]reply[07:04, 7 August 2017 (UTC)) talk (MisterSynergyThis could require to adjust some item definitions, and P2094 should also have an examples of that type. — ⟩ (Q606060)women's association football ⟨ (P2094)competition class ⟩ (Q1231102)Première Ligue ⟨ ⟩ (Q2736)association football ⟨ (P641)sport ⟩ (Q1231102)Première Ligue ⟨ is more or less exclusively used with P641. Example:(Q2736)association football for that. I suggest to create "men's association football", but also age class items such as "men's U21 association football" etc. and use the values with P2094, while (P2094)competition class , and other possible subclasses. You want to distinguish competition classes here, and we have (Q606060)women's association football , (Q2736)association football , since technically there is no difference between (P641)sport with (Q2736)association football use onlyI suggest to always ]reply[08:25, 7 August 2017 (UTC)) talk (Xaris333It's a good solution. :: What about female football teams? MisterSynergy@ ⟩ (Q2736)association football ⟨ (P641)sport ⟩ (Q751670)France women's national football team ⟨ ⟩ (Q606060)women's association football ⟨ (P2094)competition class ⟩ (Q751670)France women's national football team ⟨ ⟩ (Q6979593)national association football team ⟨ (P2094)competition class ⟩ (Q751670)France women's national football team ⟨ and ⟩ (Q2736)association football ⟨ (P641)sport ⟩ (Q32970)France women's national under-19 association football team ⟨ ⟩ (Q606060)women's association football ⟨ (P2094)competition class ⟩ (Q32970)France women's national under-19 association football team ⟨ ?) (Q920057)women's sports (or ⟩ (Q6979593)national association football team ⟨ (P2094)competition class ⟩ (Q32970)France women's national under-19 association football team ⟨ ?) (Q1194951)national sports team (or ⟩ (Q21193184)under-19 sport ⟨ (P2094)competition class ⟩ (Q32970)France women's national under-19 association football team ⟨ ]reply[13:23, 8 August 2017 (UTC)) talk (Xaris333). I think we don't need them, if the above structure is correct. (P31)instance of (they are using them with (Q23901137)national under-19 association football team and (Q23905105)women's national association football team We also have ]reply[16:38, 8 August 2017 (UTC)) talk (Xaris333? (Q6979593)national association football team : What about MisterSynergy@ ]reply[16:12, 8 August 2017 (UTC)) talk (MisterSynergy"national team" is not a competition class and such items should thus not be used with P2094. They better fit with P31. "women's association football" and "U19" are fine for P2094. —Okay, full example. (Btw. you don't need to ping me here) ⟩ (Q21193184)under-19 sport ⟨ (P2094)competition class ⟩ (Q32970)France women's national under-19 association football team ⟨ ⟩ (Q606060)women's association football ⟨ (P2094)competition class ⟩ (Q32970)France women's national under-19 association football team ⟨ (optional IMHO, but okay) ⟩ (Q2736)association football ⟨ (P641)sport ⟩ (Q32970)France women's national under-19 association football team ⟨ ⟩ (Q6979593)national association football team ⟨ (P31)instance of ⟩ (Q32970)France women's national under-19 association football team ⟨ .this version is also fine in (Q606060)women's association football . We can instantiate it with P31 this way.right now already has proper P279 claims (Q6979593)national association football team ]reply[17:19, 8 August 2017 (UTC)) talk (MisterSynergy. —(Q2735683)open that subclasses (Q21193184)under-19 sport . We should also consider to make an “Open age” item analogous to (Q606060)women's association football This would basically do the job, maybe some things can still be optimized. Men's teams would take a P2094 new value item "men's association football", which is completely symmetrical to Why not ⟩ (Q21193184)under-19 sport ⟨ (P2094)competition class ⟩ (Q32970)France women's national under-19 association football team ⟨ ⟩ (Q6979593)national association football team ⟨ (P2094)competition class ⟩ (Q32970)France women's national under-19 association football team ⟨ ⟩ (Q606060)women's association football ⟨ (P2094)competition class ⟩ (Q32970)France women's national under-19 association football team ⟨ ⟩ (Q2736)association football ⟨ (P641)sport ⟩ (Q32970)France women's national under-19 association football team ⟨ ⟩ (Q476028)association football club ⟨ (P31)instance of ⟩ (Q32970)France women's national under-19 association football team ⟨ ]reply[17:55, 8 August 2017 (UTC)) talk (Xaris333. Maybe help us. Wikidata:WikiProject Association football/Discussion about properties/Team example with P31 to all football teams (national, non national, men, women, young). I have made an example page with all possible cases (Q476028)association football club ? I just want to realize the difference. In my point of view is better to use (Q28140340)women's association football team What is that that show us that is better to use Q6979593 with P31? And why not to use with P31 . If it is about men, then nothing. You can query for item that are women (national or not) football teams or not (men football teams).(Q606060)women's association football --> (P2094)competition class ? If an item is about women team, then (Q6979593)national association football team and (Q476028)association football club . Why not to use that item like (Q606060)women's association football will never be instance of an item because every item is either "men's association football" or (Q2736)association football . And (Q2736)association football . These item had links to wikipedia articles. The first one is about association football and the second is specific about women association football. By creating "men's association football", will never had a link to wikipedia article, since that subject is cover by (Q606060)women's association football and (Q2736)association football Ok. I have understand. Another problem is "men's association football" item. Do we really need that? We now have ]reply[18:31, 8 August 2017 (UTC)) talk (MisterSynergy— as P31 relations on team items, regardless of gender and age.(Q6979593)national association football team and (Q476028)association football club subclasses are also included in the result. I would expect national team items to be considerably different from club-level teams, thus a distinction in P31 sounds reasonable. I would also like to emphasize that right now I see need for not more than (Q476028)association football club to find this item—all instances of ?item wdt:P31/wdt:P279* wd:Q476028. Assume you have a national team item with P31:Q6979593, you can query for (Q476028)association football club , thus it is implicitly also an instance of (Q476028)association football club is a subclass of (Q6979593)national association football team On the P31 relation: . No matter whether you look at open age men's/women's, or any gender’s age group association football, there is only one set of rules, and a distinct set of required skills for success in this type of sport. Nevertheless there is a need to define competition classes in almost all types of sports due to intrinsic physiological differences between certain groups of humans (e.g. women vs. men, young people vs. old people, heavy people vs. light people, etc). This way, one enables participation of sportspersons that would otherwise not have any chance to compete at the highest level. The competition class in fact defines who is eligible to participate in a given competition, mostly based on physical properties such as age, gender, and body mass (not in association football); in some types of sports, equipment also plays a role, which is not the case for association football. If we now look at national teams, we realize that one does not simply become eligible to play in such a team by a given physical constitution. You need to qualify yourself by superior performances. "National teams" are therefore not special competition classes, and P2094 can’t be used.(Q2736)association football A key aspect here is that all kinds of teams/players/clubs/competitions/etc. are about the same type of sport, which is
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